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Post subject: Re: Arris: Application & Utility Forum? Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 3:16 am |
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Indrek wrote: But I see you're really taking it into heart that someone dared challenge your opinion. Check your premise: I voiced no ' opinions' for anyone to ' challenge'; and you've posted nothing of veracity or worthy of ' taking into heart' -- or to effect me in any way with regard to emotion; perhaps you're projecting... I posted a suggestion... For you to dive bomb a literal, straight-forward, post statement that contains no guile, and invites no discussion the way you have with all your: bizarre assumptions, sarcasm, personalizations, histrionics, and disingenuous psychologizing is not a ' challenge', it's trolloing and nut bag crack-potting... Indrek wrote: I'm still confused as to why you would totally fly off the handle like that for what really was a sincere question... Reproaching someone for ridiculous assumptions is not ' flying off the handle' of anything; if any of your questions were in fact ' sincere', you would not have presumed to answer your own question when asking, and you would not regard your nasty remarks as above reproach... Perhaps there's a semantic language barrier issue; I don't speak Hrvatski, and as you're making the effort at translation I supposed some forbearance at understanding on my part is due -- but your statements are so loaded with irrelevant personalization, hostility, and histrionics it doesn't invite much enthusiasm or sympathy from me in discussing anything with you again... 
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Post subject: Re: Arris: Application & Utility Forum? Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 12:50 pm |
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Didn't read the whole topic, but please stop quarreling with each other and try to avoid getting into this non-constructive downward spiral. What I see is: one starts with a little personal criticism towards the other, the other responds to that with some more etc. etc.  I don't want to play the cop around here who has to stop all arguments. Just be a little tolerant to each other.  Anyway, enough about this. hoak wrote: I think that sounds good; I don't know if phpBB offers the functionality, or if there's a plug-in for it, but if there some means to flag or rename topic titles that are merged so that forum Users can tell a particular merged thread is about Server 2008 vs Server 2008 R2 without opening it -- would be very helpful, or perhaps setting a topic title policy to make it clear, and updating the topics manually... Not just an idle suggestion, if manual labor is involved, I'll help...
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Lastly: the forum global link color is very low contrast for the current theme, and the forums seems to be on a version of phpBB that has an annoying post scroll bug that's fixed in later versions, there are also many security fixes in later versions and updating is usually fairly easy if you're not too many versions behind... I'm postponing upgrading the phpBB software each time, but will try to do it coming weekend. I already set up a test environment on a local webserver to see how the migration goes and which plugins look useful for this forum. The plugins I'm currently looking at are: - AutoMOD
- Topic Solved
- Thanks for posts or something alike; a ranking system to show appreciation.
- Some plugin that uses the icons in front of the topic name to indicate some version of Windows. Any Suggestions?
The thing I don't like about phpBB is the support for plugins.  In most cases you manually have to replace many lines of code and modify several template-files if you are not using one of the default templates. I hope AutoMOD will [partially] automate this process.  You are right about the link colors, they are hardly distinguishable from the normal text. I think a quick fix in the css will solve this. hoak wrote: Re. Application & Utilities: I initially had in mind software that was rather Server, and Server as Workstation centric -- that isn't typical Consumer software like WSCC and the Utilities it deploys; but now think it might be nice if the section invited discussion and comparison of Userland applications, as there are forum Contributors that have a lot of knowledge of Windows internals that can can offer insight, so perhaps a more generic title then 'Tips'? Sounds well; we could possibly make it a little more specific like 'Application Tips', what do you think? Indrek wrote: Arris: thanks for chiming in. I agree, merging the non-2008/R2 forums into one general Windows forum is a good idea, it reduces clutter on the forum main page. Of those, the Windows 7 forum is the only one that sees any significant activity anyway. The Apps&Utils subforum will also make more sense there, for reasons already explained. I'll be interested in seeing how the new structure works out. That's what I thought.  My idea about the new grouping is as follows: Code: Other Windows Operating Systems * Miscellaneous - All topics that don't fit in the categories below. * Hardware - Problems with drivers and hardware. * Software - Issues with Applications, Games and other software in Windows. * [Application] Tips - Discussions about Tools, Utilities and Applications that make life easier. * Tweaks and Tricks - Personalization and productivity tips for Windows.
Any suggestions are welcome! 
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Post subject: Re: Arris: Application & Utility Forum? Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 4:39 am |
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For phpBB plugins I'd suggest any one of the many spell checkers, and re. sub-sections I'd suggest seperating Applications from Games entirely, i.e. just have generic ' Games' and ' Applications' forums, mixing Games and Applications and having a seperate Applicatios Tips forum seems redundant and confusing... My biggest concern though is there are some really valuable Windows OS version specific threads that will be obscured if all OS version threads are merged into one common sub-forum. If no update to topic titles is made it might be a bit confusing opening a thread you thought would relate to what you were looking for when it's actually discussing a different version of Windows. 
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Post subject: Re: Arris: Application & Utility Forum? Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 7:13 pm |
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hoak wrote: For phpBB plugins I'd suggest any one of the many spell checkers, and re. sub-sections I'd suggest seperating Applications from Games entirely, i.e. just have generic 'Games' and 'Applications' forums, mixing Games and Applications and having a seperate Applicatios Tips forum seems redundant and confusing... Don't todays' browsers have spell checking for all text-fields? At least my Firefox has an English Spell Checking plugin in it. That's a good advise!  How about the following structure? Code: Other Windows Operating Systems * Miscellaneous - All topics that don't fit in the categories below. * Hardware - Drives and hardware related issues. * Applications - Issues with installing and using software. * Games - Problems with gaming in Windows. * Tips - Discussions about Tools, Utilities and Applications that make life easier. * Tweaks and Tricks - Personalization and productivity tips for Windows. hoak wrote: My biggest concern though is there are some really valuable Windows OS version specific threads that will be obscured if all OS version threads are merged into one common sub-forum. If no update to topic titles is made it might be a bit confusing opening a thread you thought would relate to what you were looking for when it's actually discussing a different version of Windows. I have seen forum software in which it is possible to set the topic icon at the moment you create a new topic. Don't know if this is also possible in phpBB but is currently not possible because of the custom template, or if there is an other reason. By adding custom icons it will be possible to quickly indicate about which OS the topic is about. If all of this isn't possible for some reason, we 'll have to make some rules regarding topic names and I will have to manually edit the existing topics, because indeed, it would be confusing if we just migrate the topics to a Windows General section. It isn't that much work like Indrek says.
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Post subject: Re: Arris: Application & Utility Forum? Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 12:02 am |
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Arris wrote: Don't todays' browsers have spell checking for all text-fields? At least my Firefox has an English Spell Checking plugin in it. Well IE does not by default, and while you can get IE spell check add-ons, they're slow and ugly in their execution... The phpBB spell-check plugs I've used are very fast, much better behaved then anything I've tried in IE, and are easy to install in phpBB. So while it's not a forum necessity by any measure, it is a nice feature/benefit; as many posting here that would benefit most from a spell checker probably aren't native English speakers, and any spell checker they have installed in their browser may not be English... Arris wrote: How about the following structure? Code: Other Windows Operating Systems * Miscellaneous - All topics that don't fit in the categories below. * Hardware - Drives and hardware related issues. * Applications - Issues with installing and using software. * Games - Problems with gaming in Windows. * Tips - Discussions about Tools, Utilities and Applications that make life easier. * Tweaks and Tricks - Personalization and productivity tips for Windows. I think it's fine but Applications, Tips, and Tweaks & Tricks have some overlap and probably could be reduced to two sub-forums for more clarity... Arris wrote: I have seen forum software in which it is possible to set the topic icon at the moment you create a new topic. Don't know if this is also possible in phpBB but is currently not possible because of the custom template, or if there is an other reason. By adding custom icons it will be possible to quickly indicate about which OS the topic is about. If all of this isn't possible for some reason, we 'll have to make some rules regarding topic names and I will have to manually edit the existing topics, because indeed, it would be confusing if we just migrate the topics to a Windows General section. It isn't that much work like Indrek says. Yes Icons would be neeto; but anything that works is good! There appear to be quite a lot of Server 2008 topics that won't apply to 2008 R2, and could create confusion if they were just merged without some kind of indicator of which iteration of the OS was being discussed. Lastly, it warrants mention that not just forum link color, but also the quote and code contrast colors are not very contrasty; so in this vein I'd suggest always allowing the native phpBB3 theme as a user option, as while it's not very pretty, it is very functional across a wide range of issues like: color blind Users, different displays and display settings, it has a lot of carefully thought out details that individual theme Developers frequently miss, and your forum will still present publicly in the site theme default. 
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Post subject: Re: Arris: Application & Utility Forum? Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2010 8:13 pm |
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Updated the forum structure. What do you think? Haven't looked at a plugin to be able to use a Windows version as icon for a new topic, but will look at this soon. For now, one should use the Windows version in the topic name (as most of the cases is indeed done automatically). hoak wrote: Well IE does not by default, and while you can get IE spell check add-ons, they're slow and ugly in their execution... The phpBB spell-check plugs I've used are very fast, much better behaved then anything I've tried in IE, and are easy to install in phpBB. So while it's not a forum necessity by any measure, it is a nice feature/benefit; as many posting here that would benefit most from a spell checker probably aren't native English speakers, and any spell checker they have installed in their browser may not be English... You sound convincing, so I'll check if it's easy to implement it in the new forum installation! Indrek wrote: Lastly, it warrants mention that not just forum link color, but also the quote and code contrast colors are not very contrasty; so in this vein I'd suggest always allowing the native phpBB3 theme as a user option, as while it's not very pretty, it is very functional across a wide range of issues like: color blind Users, different displays and display settings, it has a lot of carefully thought out details that individual theme Developers frequently miss, and your forum will still present publicly in the site theme default. It is a user option in the UCP so that's fine.  Besides that I'll still the style of the links posted in the topics to make them more visible. Arris
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