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 Post subject: Windows 8 coming in 2011-2012??
PostPosted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 1:35 am 
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This was very expected of MS to do this. I just had this gut feeling. http://windows8news.com/ seems to know alot about it and have tons of speculations on this new OS.

And there is a rumor that it would have 128bit support..... people haven't even adopted 64 bit yet in the mainstream. This is strange.

What are your thoughts everyone on this news item? I would love to know.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:43 pm 
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And there is a rumor that it would have 128bit support..... people haven't even adopted 64 bit yet in the mainstream. This is strange.
Notice they talk about IA-128. That refers to Intel's Itanium architecture, and the last consumer Windows to have Itanium support was XP. So even if IA-128 existed (which it doesn't, btw), it would be very unlikely to be supported in Windows 8. If and when the consumer Windows gets 128-bit support, it'll either be x86-128 (an extension to the x86 architecture, like the current x86-64 which is what most people mean when talking about 64-bit) or a totally new architecture.

128-bit speculations aside, I don't see anything noteworthy on that site. Windows 8 will have new networking features? Really? Didn't see that one coming. I mean, it's not like every single Windows version before it has had improved networking over its predecessor or anything. Oh wait... :P The concept video, while tasty, was made by an independent design team and has very little to do with Windows 8.

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 Post subject: Re: Windows 8 coming in 2011-2012??
PostPosted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 1:56 pm 
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skip windows 8 and go straight for midori! That's what we need. the NT witch means New Technology BTW when it is in fact really really old. We NEED to change computing becuase not much has changed. We are still stuck at the 2.x GHz average and graphics cards are the only things that are changing much and even then directX11 is not much different other then hardware tessellation witch could be even more stressful.


We need real changes in OSes and not more tacked on "features" Because it is not worth it to consumers to buy a new version of windows every 2 years. We really need a reason to go to something new. Just like my companies decision to stay with R1 becuase they felt it was not worth it too much to go to R2 for what they are using it for. They feel its not worth the upgrade prices to replace over 200 machines that use it.

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 Post subject: Re: Windows 8 coming in 2011-2012??
PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 10:13 am 
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We will start to hear more about it towards 2012...but I would be surprised if it comes out that early.

128bit support would make sense if the server versions and consumer versions are based on the same core, as with R2 and 7.

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what the hell does stuck at the 2GHz average mean? We exceeded that years ago, and matured enough to know 'hertz is not the most important thing when it comes to performance.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 1:42 pm 
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I meant that the average PC is STILL 2.x GHz. the average should be 8Ghz by now since I had a 2.2GHz(*) athlon like 6 years ago! I got a 2.2GHz Phenom x4!

The world of computing tech has slowed down so much!

I notice that intel has 88 core processors that they made like 3 years ago, but where the hell are they!? We see this awesome tech at shows and stuff but we never see it and it makes me mad. I see all this awesome tech like holographic laptop displays, smart phones more powerful then the average computer, but yet it never comes. These companies just want to sit on the old technology and milk it for all its worth and continue to milk it till the cow runs out, then they finally release the new tech.

Stop regressing companies..... we want our quantum computers yesterday!

(*)->this was the average speed of processors then the max was 3.x Ghz models and this still applies today. Just they have multiple cores.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 2:25 pm 
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I have to disagree with you there.

Around the P4 era, when the gigahertz wars were peaking, companies started to back off and realise there are more important things than gigahertz. Technology has continued to advance at an amazing rate, what with quad core's and i5/i7's.

Don't make the mistake of thinking because the chips have a lower number, that they are slower and not as advanced.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 3:58 pm 
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Well when ALL 4 of MY cores are struggling then something's gotta change. I think software is to blame as well. They are making it so bloated.

(ADOBE I AM TALKING TO YOU!!)

I hate most software companies. They think making the application more bloated will make it better but it does not. They are just falling for the stupid bling factor that is taking over software these days. Like when media players have that stupid cpu hogging cover flow that serves NO purpose. Websites are doing that now as well. a slidr slide show will hog 20% my my cpu! or when people put those globe applications that have a fully flash 3d globe that displays the countries of the visitors on thier blog it consumes at 50%!

I also notice that when I go to myspace sites and don't have my flashblock IE script on my commit charge kill (512MB) will kick in like 1 minute after I got to it and my cpu quota capped not kill (50% max for browser iexplore.exe*32) as well since I have both defined for windows system resource manager. If a freakin website will use 50% of my cpu power that is something really really wrong!

Look we got 4 cores we need to enjoy the speed of them, not bog them down more so it feels we are back to the 486 days again! Let us gloat that our cores are sleeping while your app is running, not sob and say our cores are working thier buttocks off!

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 8:31 pm 
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RemixedCat wrote:
I meant that the average PC is STILL 2.x GHz. the average should be 8Ghz by now since I had a 2.2GHz(*) athlon like 6 years ago! I got a 2.2GHz Phenom x4!
I've got a 1.8GHz Core 2 Duo, and I'll bet it can wipe the floor with a 2.2GHz Athlon from 6 years ago. Hell, any CPU from 6 years ago.

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Just they have multiple cores.
You're either joking or really ignorant. Has it ever occurred to you that maybe the 2GHz mark is the optimum for the average computer, and that switching to multiple cores and parallel processing was the next logical step?

I don't get you. First you say you want 8GHz processors, and then you drool over 88-core CPUs. You can't have both, you know - for one, power consumption would be insane. The gigaherz race is over, accept that.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 11:54 pm 
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this is coming from someone who thought 32 bit was good enough, remember indrek?! LOLz.
you thought that 32 bit was good enough and it isn't :lol:

when I model stuff in any 32 bit 3d modelling software most of the time it crashes when i load anything that is over 40,000 polys.

if the cores are faster they get the work done faster. I did not say anything that I was against multicores. LOLz.

But I don't overclock. I did once on this and it was too hot for my heatsink only solution (my singular fan died on this becuase it was cheap plastic that cracked)

people just need to make more efficiant software and that's the end of this discussion.

let's instead speculate on what shoudl be in the next windows release->

I got some ideas:

better recovery tools that aren't disk wasting like restore

smarter superfetch

application sandboxing (will be in midrori)

better account controls and access

better security due to application sandboxing

application porting->useful for applications like photoshop,you can basically save your install and make it portable from computer to computer via a pen drive or even good if you reformat. (messing with adobe support is a headache to reactivate and do not help you if you bought it from a local shop) my architecture software is portable secured pen drive portable (but it needs a dongle to work if using it like that). I am also running the server/master version so its even wierder.

something like xkill in linux. or a quick hey to halt any crashing apps that do not want to close. better crash control

central package manager like linux. Also will manage updates for all software as well. adept is a good example.

I can think of a ton of other things

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 Post subject: Re: Windows 8 coming in 2011-2012??
PostPosted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 6:02 am 
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Indrek wrote:
I don't get you. First you say you want 8GHz processors, and then you drool over 88-core CPUs. You can't have both, you know - for one, power consumption would be insane. The gigaherz race is over, accept that.


I kind of gave up after she argued how exceptions worked based on her interpretation, despite a microsoft technical reference contradicting her. And after she stated using 32 bit software was empirically less stable on a 64 bit cpu.


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